and john kerry, two vietnam vets about to take the helm of, you know, the state department and the defense department, will that help bring some of these lessons to bear? >> well, kerry and hagel saw the war firsthand in the delta, one of the areas where it was packed with civilians and where there were tremendous number of civilian casualties so i think that they did see some of the worst of the war. i would hope that having seen that up close and personal they'd be more reticent of taking this country to war. i think we have to hope for the best, that they can take that out of vietnam experience. i don't think that the carnage in today's wars is comparable to vietnam when it comes to civilians but we do know that civilians are still dying on a regular basis and still suffering a great deal and i'm afraid that, you know, if history is any guide we may not know the full story of that suffering for decades. >> all right. nick turse, thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> up next, the cyclist's favorite inaugural moments and never guess who picked one from the 1800s. it's not who you think.